BBC 6 minute English-Cleopatra

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Neil: Hello and welcome to 6 Minute English. I’m Neil

Sophie: And I’m Sophie. What do you know about Cleopatra, Neil

Neil: Well, she was Queen of Egypt… quite a long time ago

Sophie: Anything else

Neil: Didn’t she arrive for a meeting with Roman Emperor Julius Caesar rolled up in a carpet? Or is that a Hollywood invention

Sophie: Some historical sources say she was rolled up in a carpet – and others say she was hidden inside a linen sack. Cleopatra is the subject of today’s show. She was the last pharaoh to rule Egypt and is arguably the most famous female ruler in history

Neil: And the most beautiful

Sophie: Well, the jury’s out on that one, Neil – and that means people haven’t decided yet. Coins with Cleopatra’s portrait on them, for example, show her with a prominent nose and thin lips

Neil: Prominent means noticeable – and in this case, I think it means large! So what were her attributes – or main qualities –, then

Sophie: Cleopatra was a wily politician. She made important alliances with Rome to protect her country and was ruthless in dealing with her enemies – in this case, her siblings – who challenged her as sole ruler of Egypt

Neil: Wily means clever and sibling is another word for brother or sister. Didn’t she have her siblings murdered

Sophie: Yes, she was very ruthless – and that means without pity. And today’s quiz question is about her family. Can you tell me, Neil, which country was Cleopatra’s family originally from? Is it

a) Macedonia

b) Ethiopia?Or

c) Egypt

Neil: I’m going for c) Egypt – The obvious answer

Sophie: Well, we’ll find out if the obvious answer is the right one, later on in the show. But let’s talk some more about Cleopatra’s attributes. She may not have been Hollywood gorgeous, but she spoke many languages and was highly educated in philosophy, astronomy, mathematics, and oratory. Here’s Susan Walker, Keeper of Antiquities at the Ashmolean Museum at the University of Oxford, with more about this

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Susan Walker, Keeper of Antiquities at the Ashmolean Museum, University of Oxford

Plutarch says that what was really remarkable about Cleopatra was not so much her beauty as the intelligence of her company. She had a very beautiful voice, which I think is a quality that we perhaps underrate these days, in estimations of celebrity, and she clearly had masses of charisma; the sort of person who would light up a room; so, enormous personal charm

Neil: So the Roman historian Plutarch wrote about Cleopatra’s voice, her charisma and personal charm – but not about her beauty

Sophie: That’s right. And charisma is, in other words, a strong power to attract people. Cleopatra’s voice was also considered very attractive – an attribute we underrate today, according to Susan Walker

Neil: And underrate means to place too small a value on something

Sophie: Egyptian Pharaohs were regarded as gods – and spectacle – or making a big visual impact – was an important part of this. Cleopatra was very skilled at making grand entrances

Neil: Rolled up in a carpet for Caesar, or dressed up as Venus on board a shimmering golden barge, for Mark Anthony. He was a Roman politician and general

Sophie: And even her death was spectacular. She and Mark Anthony had lost an important battle against another Roman general, Octavian. Mark Anthony had fatally wounded himself when he heard, mistakenly, that Cleopatra was dead. But before he died, he managed to get back to Cleopatra, who held him in her arms as he died, in her family tomb. Then she decided to take her own life

Neil: You make it sounds like a Shakespearian tragedy

Sophie: Shakespeare did write a play about it. Now, let’s hear from Catherine Edwards, Professor of Classics and Ancient History at Birkbeck, University of London, about this tragic event

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Catherine Edwards, Professor of Classics and Ancient History at Birkbeck, University of London

She plans her own death in this very sort of calculated manner – a manner that also seems to focus on spectacle yet again. She takes her time, she has a feast, and then, you know, the figs, the basket of figs arrives with the asp in it – or was it perhaps a poisoned hairpin – there’s a certain amount of uncertainty about the exact method of her death. I think most sources prefer the snake

Sophie: So Catherine Edwards says the facts surrounding Cleopatra’s suicide aren’t clear. She may have used a snake to bite her, smuggled into her room in a basket of fruit – but it may have been a poisoned hairpin – or simply a cup of poison. But she did it in a calculated – or carefully planned – way

Neil: OK, so the final curtain comes down on Cleopatra – but what about the answer to today’s quiz question, Sophie

Sophie: OK. I asked: which country was Cleopatra’s family originally from? Is it

a) Macedonia

b) Ethiopia or

c) Egypt

Neil: I said… Egypt! Of course it is

Sophie: And that’s the wrong answer, Neil. It’s actually a) Macedonia. Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Macedonian Greek origin that ruled Egypt after the death of Alexander the Great

Neil: You learn something new every day! Talking of which, here are the words we learned in this programme

the jury’s out on something
prominent
attributes
wily
sibling
ruthless
charisma
underrate
spectacle
calculated

Sophie: And that’s the end of today’s 6 Minute English. Don’t forget to join us again soon

Both: Bye